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gabe: team stewart or team cramer?
lindsay: Stewart, duh
gabe: not duh
lindsay: Jim Cramer is personally responsible for any money anyone lost in 2008.
gabe: team stewart, sure
gabe: but not team stewart, duh
gabe: haha
lindsay: He should be Bernie Madoff’s bitch in prison.
gabe: bernie madoff doesn’t get a bitch
gabe: that’s one of the clauses in his sentence
gabe: he can be someone else’s bitch, but he can’t have a bitch of his own
lindsay: Kevin Bacon made sure of that
gabe: also A Bitch of His Own is your movie
lindsay: hahahaa
gabe: i feel bad for jim cramer
gabe: BOOYAKA BOOYAKA
lindsay: Well, he certainly knows how to appear repentant
gabe: that was too much
gabe: he should relax a little bit
gabe: and by relax i mean
gabe: man up
gabe: he should man up a little bit
gabe: it’s not Mad Backpedal with Jim Cramer
gabe: but i do think
gabe: that jon stewart sort of made his point about 5 minutes in
gabe: and then spent another 10 minutes running roughshod over jim cramer
gabe: in a way that was just bullyish
lindsay: I really do think he saw frost/nixon recently
lindsay: “here’s my historical moment”
gabe: comparing jim cramer to richard nixon is silly
gabe: that’s it?
gabe: you have nothing to say to defend your boy?
gabe: ok, i will go on then
lindsay: Well
lindsay: I think what makes us as viewers uncomfortable is seeing Jon sort of lose control a little bit
lindsay: and be so righteous
lindsay: he did that in his first show after 9/11 too
gabe: that is not what makes me uncomfortable
lindsay: What I said last night as soon as it was over was “Everyone has faults, even Jon Stewart, and being a little too self righteous on what he thinks is the behalf of the little guy might be one of his faults.”
lindsay: If I ever see Jim Cramer on the street
gabe: see, i don’t have a problem with that
lindsay: I’m going to yell “Clip 212! Clip 212!”
gabe: the self-righteous thing
gabe: at least not in this case
gabe: self-righteousness can be horrible
gabe: but it can also be a really effective way of making a point about things that are wrong
gabe: my main problem with these types of jon stewart rants
gabe: is his weak defense of his own position
gabe: which usually involves removing the playing field entirely
gabe: by using his “comedy show” as an excuse for saying whtever teh fuck he wants
gabe: and while i do agree that comedy shows and “news” shows should not be held to the same standard
gabe: the argument that somehow people should care less about what jon stewart says
gabe: than what jim cramer says
gabe: or that it’s somehow less important because he’s “a clown”
gabe: is ridiculous
gabe: especially from someone who appears on TV every night
lindsay: yeah, he leaned a lot on the “in cramer we trust” thing
gabe: and is widely considered some kind of representative
gabe: right
lindsay: he does know that that was written by someone in the promo department, right?
gabe: i mean, that was some marketing thing dreamed up by CNBC
lindsay: like a 25 year old
gabe: and to throw that in Cramer’s face is silly
lindsay: that he’s never met
lindsay: Jon Stewart does not see all of his own promos before they go to air, probably
lindsay: there actually could have been one saying in stewart we trust
lindsay: who knows
gabe: well, there’s absolutely no way to ever know that
gabe: since all of jon stewart’s promos are burned
gabe: and buried in the ocean
lindsay: hahahaa
gabe: immediately after airing
lindsay: there’s probably not one that says “in stewart we trust”
gabe: probably not
gabe: but the point is that stewart’s sanctimoniousness is fine
gabe: but then play the game
gabe: OWN IT, JON STEWART
gabe: if you’re going to shoulder the rage of the everyman
gabe: then you have to shoulder the criticism of the everyman
lindsay: Yeah
lindsay: I didn’t like the fart jokes line
lindsay: it was just over the top minimizing
lindsay: and martyr-ish
lindsay: like ‘world, can I please go back to fart jokes? will you let me?”
lindsay: like he’s Batman
lindsay: and fart jokes are hanging out in the bat cave
lindsay: with bat gadgets
gabe: if anything, jim cramer’s intense obsequiousness
gabe: and the run up to the interview
gabe: with the media predicting a slaughter
gabe: indicates that this is not just a comedy show
gabe: to be held to comedy show standards
gabe: you never read headlines about that when Good Morning, Miami took on the difficult topic of
gabe: who drank all the coffee?
gabe: jim cramer spent the last 8 minutes of the interview being completely cowed
gabe: as jon stewart beat him over the head with things that were barely even his fault
gabe: which is what bullies do
gabe: i feel like jim cramer is a pretty soft target for the mess that we are in
gabe: don’t get me wrong, jim cramer should go to jail
gabe: and they can just rerun old episodes of his show for the laffs
gabe: (because his show is incredible, and i kind of love it. so high energy! let’s go y’all!)
gabe: (it’s kind of like let’s paint, exercise, and talk about stocks)
lindsay: yes
gabe: but he did not cause the economic collapse of the modern world
lindsay: well, I think jim cramer just realized that there’s no way he is cooler than JS
gabe: with his stupid moo buzzer
lindsay: Do you think people like jim cramer more or less now?
gabe: i doubt anyone really likes him more
gabe: although i’m sure way more people feel sorry for him
gabe: than ever before
lindsay: why would he start to defend the clips?
lindsay: when he knows what else he said?
lindsay: that part was pretty damning
gabe: that part was totally damning
gabe: obvs
gabe: what was weird to me is that i had already seen that interview before
gabe: so, it’s been around
lindsay: yeah!
gabe: and in some ways i think there’s a certain ballsiness to it
gabe: not even in a totally bad way
gabe: like, everyone is doing this thing
lindsay: so why did he try to say he was speaking as a character
gabe: and maybe jim cramer is not the hero of calling everyone out
gabe: but he’s definitely honest enough to just say “yeah, i did this shit, too”
gabe: “that’s what everyone does”
gabe: “and i’m not going to lie about it”
gabe: and i think that he could have weathered the stewart storm a little better by sticking to that
gabe: and taking his deserved lumps
lindsay: yeah
lindsay: Jon Stewart is definitely cuter, though.
gabe: CUTE WON’T HELP US, LINDSAY
gabe: CUTE WON’T BRING THE DOW BACK
gabe: haha, i like pretending like i even know what “the dow” is
lindsay: you probably know what it is
gabe: fine, i kind of know what it is
gabe: whatever
gabe: what am i, a farmer?
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I think what’s really sad is that it’s up to Jon Stewart instead of “actual” news outlets to talk about stuff like this.
I was starting to get bored with the rant, and then Gabe rescued it with my favorite 30 rock quote!
I agree that Jon Stewart came off as bully-ish, and I kind of wish this interview hadn’t happened. I loved all the things leading up to it, but the interview was bad. And I like when Stewart slam-dunks a guest, but this was too much.
However, I must disagree and say I thought Stewart’s response to 9/11 was brilliant.
Gabe just totally pulled a Jon Stewart on Lindsay.
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I just watched it and I gotta say, I didnt feel too bad for Cramer. And he sure as hell didnt own up to his role in the hedge fund stuff and manipulating the market, even in the face of pretty much irrefutable evidence. After the clip he said it was “a hyperbolic example, [I was] trying to expose the stuff.” Even when Stewart pressed him on it, he feigned innocence and said he was “inarticulate.” Maybe Cramer isnt the central villain, but he sure as hell played a part in this mess. Even if he is innocent of manipulating stocks (which he isnt), he among others at CNBC were implicit in this mess, they failed at any kind of investigative journalism at a critical time.
Although I do agree that Stewart enjoys a somewhat unfairly invulnerable position due to self-proclaimed title as “the clown” or whatever.
Great fight! A Good Morning, Miami mention? Check. 30 Rock quote? Check. Gabe wins. (But I still don’t really like Jim Cramer.)
As guilty as he may be, Cramer wouldn’t be on the chopping block if that Santelli wasn’t such a pussy. At least Cramer manned up.
Gabe sure comes off like a HYPOCRITICAL DOUCHEBAG. Does he realize he just did to Lindsey what he accuses Stewart of doing?
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I dont understand all this ‘Jon is a bully’ talk. Cramer totally had that coming. He unhestintatingly assured us the market was one way when it was the other, he manipulated the market for his own personal gain, he and CNBC knew the practices were unsound and yet did nothing to stop them. And at the beginning of this inevitable disaster, the were totally unquestioning. I EXPECT the CEOs to try and exploit us, but CNBC is supposed to be protecting us from them. wtfffff
The thing is, Cramer took personal offense to a send-up of his network. TDS never went and said “Jim Cramer is a bad guy!”
They made fun of CNBC for their claims that “THIS IS NEWS” when actually they’re wrong and lazy a lot of the time, to the point that it could be damaging to the people who watch it.
Jim Cramer didn’t have to go on day-time TV and act like a victim on every GE network (The guys on Psych solved the mystery of Who’s being a meanie to Jim Cramer?) It wasn’t about him; it’s about accountability.
Jon Stewart, yes, was engaged in a serious debate in last night’s episode. In the context of that interview, he must own what he says. If Jim Cramer actually DID have a leg to stand on, then I’d fault Jon for poo-pooing the gravity of his argument.
Jon wasn’t wrong, though.
If Stewart was a bully, Cramer was more than willing to play the victim. I don’t feel sorry for him in the slightest because he operates under the pretense that he is an authority; Jon Stewart is just, in his words, “some fucking guy.”
Nobody loses money on the Daily Show, you know?
I gotta disagree with you on one point: no matter how much he says it and wishes that it was the case, Jon Stewart not “some fucking guy.” Jon Stewart hosts a TV show that presidents visit. When Bill Clinton shows up at your house to BS about politics, or when John Edwards announces his candidacy from your couch, then Jon is “some fucking guy.” In the meantime, Jon Stewart is a massive celebrity with boatloads of clout, fame, and money.
This aw-shucks-I’m-just-a-regular-joe schtick is old.
I’m in Camp Stewart on this one, all the way. Cramer didn’t have to go on the show. Maybe he was unfairly made the figurehead for CNBC, but he didn’t have to offer himself up.
And if Stewart is a bully, then what the fuck is O’Reilly?
A bully? Honestly? Someone has to say this stuff. Winning an argument isn’t the same as bullying.
I don’t who the fuck lost the fight, who the fuck lost my money?!
Shit, wait. Nevermind, found it under my mattress.
Man alive, were you not there when Cramer justified his shitty practices by saying it was meant to draw attention to shitty practice? That’s one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard! No I think Jon Stewart was absolutely right to let Cramer provide the comedy. Anyway at least the righteousness isn’t phoney, and as a Brit who has no idea who Cramer is until this I have to say I think Stewart owned that, and wich we had a show like Stewart’s over here
I think Steward had to do this interview because no one else had as of yet. I never saw Wolf Blitzer or AC 360 try to take on Cramer or anyone else (obviously Olberman and Maddow could not) in this fashion. But, John Stewart has to realize that he is the gadfly of our time, whether he likes it or not. Perhaps he feels that the fact that his program does not come up with any “original” news frees him from being considered as being like your Countdowns or your Mad Moneys. I also think he only pulls out that “talking puppets comes on before my show” shtick whenever he becomes apart of the story when he feels he should not.
Also, fart noises or any reference to fart noises are always funny. Doesn’t anyone remember Comedy 101 or Intro to Internet?
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At first, Jon Stewart kind of came off bullyish to me, but by the end I didn’t think that at all.
It wasn’t Cramer he was attacking, it was CNBC. He made it clear, and Cramer accepted it. Cramer was on there defending his entire network, not just himself, and JS definitely had some valid points.
So much H8. So much.
I agree that Jon Stewart wasn’t attacking Jim Cramer per se, but the entire network of CNBC. That’s what started this whole thing. But it kind of seems like Cramer was going along with the idea that Stewart was attacking him. He seemed to be diverting all of the attention to himself and his mistakes, which isn’t right. The point is all of the things that CNBC is doing, not Jim Cramer alone.
I really think it would be wise to not piss of jon stewert if you are a public figure. i mean him burning the crossfire guys is brutal. I think they got canceled like 2 weeks later too. Ouch.
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i really hope Jon tears Scarborough a new asshole next.
I watched the “interview” that aired last night on TDS and I’m on team Stewart by default (who wouldn’t be?) because it’s always satisfying to watch Jon, as righteousy as he may get, nail some asshole for the assholey things he’s done or said. That’s a given. And it’s totally easy to see Gabe’s point, as JS coming across as a bully. BUT after watching the full interview, I was left with a much less satisfying feeling…It was such a one-sided battle (which is obvs), but I think that it wasn’t completely to Stewarts fault–it wasn’t at all like a Bill O’reilly bullyview because Stewart allowed Cramer to make his points (if he had any) whereas Bill-O just yells over or cuts off his guests. Cramer was almost hard to hate and basically handed JS the debate from the get-go, which was disappointing for anyone that was hoping to see a battle of ideas… or at least SOME kind of defense from the Cramer camp! His conciliatory attitude was SO annoying, he basically bowed down to JS–LITERALLY–he must have done that palms-up-head-bow motion like 10 times in the span of Stewarts words-for-fists-beatdown! Ugh city.
Cramer’s strategy (if you can call it that) was obviously appeasement, which may be a genuine consession of mis-guided ways or an annoyingly-brilliant way to win a debate he knew he could never win by gaining what little support there might be from stupid people who ended up feeling sorry for him and getting them to believe, “he’s just a good guy that got swept up in it all”.
… It was almost like that Friday Night Fight I read, where Gabe got up on his soapbox and went on and on about how right he was and Lindsay just agreed (and I imagine did the palms-up-bow-thing to the monitor) and by the time I was done reading I forgot what the original argument was cause I was just SO MAD at Gabe for being such a MEANIE!
But what do I know, I was born in 1983 in farmertown, USA…
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Watching Cramer in those clips were like watching Martin Short play the lawyer smoking the cigarette getting pounded by Mike Wallace and sweating profusely.
I also hate to say it, but Jon Stewart in serious mode made me realize something else. We HAVE no real serious Journalists anymore. You know, ones that offer FOLLOW-UP questions when warranted. When Cramer said something, Stewart actual brought up those words and made him elaborate. He use of past clips backed up his point, and Cramer seemed AMAZED that someone would actually use FACTS and things he said to contradict what he’d said in the past.
It’s really sad to think that shows like TDS and Colbert Report are doing a better job of actual reporting than all those “talking head” shows. I wish Woodward would do a book on how the media has become PART of the problem, instead of reporting on them.
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The next guy who says shenanigans gets pistol whipped!
And word, Lindsay on the ‘clown faces and fart jokes’ when obviously going from how adamant and vehement Stewart was, he does take this stuff seriously, as well as his role of, whatever, voice of the everyman, and that’s why we love him, so don’t reduce it to (word, Gabe) “oh well we’re just a comedy show and all I do is make fart jokes” because you don’t, it’s not. Gabe’s right, he removes the playing field entirely but again, what else you gonna do when you’ve got such a serious subject but you still want to bring the Laffs every night. Is what I’m saying.
Shenanigans!
honestly this just made me see stewart as a grade a “a-hole”, since someone reported my comment for bad words . . .
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How much will it take for you to stop commenting?
It’s great to see so many Jim Cramer fans here tonight. Welcome, you gullible shitbirds. Jim Cramer gave false financial advice, kept giving bad advice, and then fucking lied about it. Sure, the Ivy Leaguers among you do not rely on Cramer for investment strategies, but maybe lots of people do trust someone on the TV who is listed as an expert. Maybe Jim Cramer’s feckless cheerleading for losing ideas cost people their money. Maybe when Cramer goes on a bunch of shows and tries to pillory Stewart, maybe, just maybe, Cramer deserves to get his ass kicked. And that is just what happened.
Team Stewart.
I voted you up because I really do love the word “shitbird.”
I have to say, I just made my roommates (who know a hell of a lot more about finance and the market than I do) watch the interview, and we had an excellent drunken conversation about speculative financial news, the role of government, and journalistic responsibility.
Both of them accounting majors, they (cautiously and minutely) came to Cramer’s defense. My background in journalism, I was more on Stewart’s side.
The point is we learned a lot from our discussion about the dick joke show, and I can say that I’m going to bed tonight with a better understanding of the market, and I’d imagine they are going to bed with a better understanding of the outrage people feel.
Stewart vs. Cramer, corny as I can be: WE won.
I think that’s pretty outstanding for the show that comes on after puppets.
wait what happened here.
Stewarts quarrel seemed to be with CNBC, which is why I dont understand him having Jim Cramer on the show. Before Mad Money there is a disclaimer that states that whatever Jim says is not the opinion of CNBC. So Stewart should of taken his fight up with someone who is a better representative of CNBC. But you guys are all right. Cramers show is the only news outlet for financial advice and he is the sole reason people lost money in the markets. Those WSJ guys or the NYT guys or anyone who reports for all the financial newspapers out there were giving us good advice, right?
Gabe is a bad.
KENNY POWERS WON THE WEEK HOLY GOD EPISODE 5 WAS MINDBLOWING
Stewart’s only problem, as Gabe points out, is the “I’m just on a comedy show. I love yuk-yuks” line. It’s the same defense he used on “Crossfire”, and that’s not a TV show anymore. You aren’t “just on a comedy show” when you SINGLEHANDEDLY cause an (admittedly awful) television show to go off the air.
BUT, fucking A man, at least someone is doing something about this bullshit. Andrew Sullivan describes it best:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/03/to-catch-a-pred.html
You guys just think Stewart’s a bully because you’re used to a national media of pussies. THIS is what our newsmen are supposed to be like.
The thing that is always kinda forgotten is that the news media are people. Individual people. While it sounds nice to say that the media should all be principled and expose injustice, individual journalists have a tough time doing this. Media people are just like all of us looking to get ahead in their jobs. You dont do that by pissing off billionaires. You create job security by toeing the company line and the only “investigative” pieces you do are exposing a handyman service that screwed over a little old lady or whatever.
Jon Stewart needs to keep doing things like this and needs to keep the “silly comedy show” shroud over himself. He is insulated by this and can call out whoever he wants. Unfortunately most journalists dont have the freedom he has to do this without fear of losing their jobs.
This is a trick fight: both Jim and Jon lost.