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Well, that happened. And while I know that we still have a full season’s worth of episodes left to unravel the mysteries (or is it tie up the mysteries?) of this show, last night’s two-hour premiere felt like walking on mystery sand. For every step we took towards understanding what was going on, we slid three mystery steps backwards. So many new mysteries! So now there are two Jacks? Caught in two love triangles? With two Kates and two Sawyers? Because Damon Lindelof listened to that podcast episode of WNYC’s Radio Lab and heard physicist Brian Greene talking about the multi-verse? Fair enough. But from which of the universes did all those roving gangs of Chinese-American nerds come from? (And can we all agree that we share the communal hope that future episodes of Lost will have less papier mache temples that look like they were built for a Junior High science fair? I love this show, but I also don’t eat at the Rainforest Cafe in the mall for a reason.)
Anyway.
After last night’s pizza party, I’m not really sure that a full recap is necessary. We were all there. We all saw it with our eyes. But there are a few things/questions/mysteries that it does seem are worth keeping in mind as we go forward:
- How did Second Life Desmond end up on the plane?
- How did Second Life Desmond disappear from the plane?
- To the actress who played Shannon: wha happen?
- Second Life Hurley is lucky instead of cursed?
- Why did Second Life Charlie say he was supposed to die?!
- Second Life Sun doesn’t speak English?
- Do spinal surgeons really ask complete strangers in wheelchairs how they got there?
- So spinal surgeons are impolitic assholes.
- The man in black is also Bizarro Locke is also the smoke monster is also Jake Sully.
- And he is not a who, he is a what? What?
- And he wants to go home? Where is home?
- Jacob buried the note in the ankh before Hurley ever even returned to the island, so all of this is pre-ordained. So would someone just tell the writers of Lost that, before they get too confused.
- The water should be clear, but the water is not clear.
- When Hurley shouts “you’re not saving him, you’re drowning him,” it becomes clear that the time-shift has heightened Hurley’s powers of perception.
- WHEN IS JACK’S DAD’S COFFIN?
- WHAT IS IN THE SAYID?
LOST! YES!
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The main lesson I learned last night is that it is not a good idea to make Boblo angry.
What happened to Shannon? Um, more like what happened to Michael and Walt?! I don’t care if Walt is too old now. If you’re gonna skimp on CGI effects for the entire fucking episode, you can greenscreen in little Walt or something.
Man alive, that shark and the whole underwater bit was Mega shark vs. Giant octopus level. It looked like a cutscene on the dreamcast.
how dare you talk such nonsense about dreamcast???
They don’t even have to do that! They could do some time mumbo jumbo. Although the kid is like 17 now last season he could still pass as like…15 and when he appeared to Locke in the pit in season 3 he still looked older.
Ugh I think about Lost too much. MLIL.
The people in the temple were definitely the most WTF-y for me. I wish Juliet’s important message was “by the by, there’s a giant temple full of Others hidden in the middle of the forest that heals people, I probably should have mentioned it before! My bad!”
The Temple set is just a huge Easter egg for Lindelof and Abrams’s “Hercules: The Legendary Journeys” reboot.
My reaction:
Why did Jack have a Vampire bite on his neck in the alternate reality? LOST/Twilight tie-in?
Multiverse with a twist – the plane lands at LAX and the world’s blood supply is-
oh wait that’s daybreakers
I need to know what that was all about too.
Is Jack meant to notice that he aged 5 years in flight?
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I used to feel really out-of-touch for not caring about Lost, but then I read this quote from Demetri Martin: “All I know is that people have been stranded for a long time…they’re all really good looking and in good shape, but they have problems with each other.” Hey, that’s all I know about it too!
I haven’t given the show much of a shot yet because I fully expect for it to Soprano all its fans at the end
But The Sopranos ending was kind of brilliant.
I thought Hurley was lucky all along, it was the people around him that got the bad end of the curse stick.
I thought Charlie saying he should have died was because he didn’t want to be arrested for having heroin on an international flight.
I think Sun does speak English but Jin isn’t supposed to know so she is still playing dumb.
And I thought Boblo/Bizarro Locke said that he is a who not a what.
He is very lucky! It’s just the people around him that are not. It could be one of those things that’s different this time around, I guess but I always thought Hurley had good luck. Plus, he’s just a really good person.
Thank you internet nerds for dissecting every little bit of this episode: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/LA_X,_Parts_1_%26_2#
Is the Temple Bizzaro Locke’s home?
The Temple would be one of the last places Bizarro Locke/Smokey/Esau would go.
They encircled it with ash, and they seemed to be on the same side as Ricardus Alana and the rest of those that protect Jacob (FAIL on that front)
They didn’t know he died, so presumably all of this is now back in 2007 or 2008? There is the alternate reality version of our faves, alive or dead they are all back to tel a story.
Then we have the original reality – Atom Bomb Juliet version of reality. Jacob is working with the ones whose lives he affected or TOUCHED in the last iteration of the island (and reality) and he is now using his variables in the valenzetti equation (4 8 15 16 23 42) to make his moves.
Hurley is now the leader of a sort, as he is the direct pipeline to Jacob, through his “ability” to speak to the dead.
And I would guess the variables in the equation will all learn something from their journeys through time and space, Faraday’s equations work (with people as the variable) and the paradoxes and threats to space time created by the actions of some on and off the island will be reverted or reset through the variables learning the big lesson.
Just a few thoughts.
Additionally, it would seem a few of the People have already learned their lessons –
Jack seemed like he noticed the shift in time between the point at which he would’ve gone down in the original version of reality.
He felt relieved (Rose reminded him it’s cool to degrip the seat) and then he saw Desomond?
Hurley seems like he’s happy,he’s lucky, he’s tolerating that (now UNBLOWNTHEFUCKUP) idiot Doc Arzt and his inane questions, New Life New Hugo Reyes.
So then Sawyer starts acting cool and Non-Grifter status to Hurley, as opposed to helping to shed some of Kong’s dolla dolla bills from the lottery (Old Sawyer woulda sold Hurley on some investment scam like THAT), he helps Kate a bit, is nice in all.
We see Charlie, realizing he should be dead (?!) and Maybe that’s island related or heroin or crazy near death thing?
Locke cant walk, but dammit he Went on the Walkabout… What walkabout could he be referencing? In either case, he seemed real sharp and assertive, not old Locke at ALL.
Sayyid was awesome as usual, not sure if he has a lesson or not…Seeing as how he is reborn, this should be interesting on the island as far as his foreknowledge and vision status.
Anyway, thats all I got now.
The last place you want to go is the first place the writers would make you go. I think Jacob, et al banished Esau from the Temple and somehow Jacob’s presence kept him out of it. Now that he’s dead, Esau is free to enter and the others only circled it with ashes to try to keep him out.
But Esau has been in the temple recently. That hole in the ground they had trouble passing was where SmokeLocke took Ben, and he fell through the floor and came face-to-face with Smokey/Alex.
They weren’t really in the temple, only in the tunnels leading to it.
I’ve given this too much thought…
Cool thanks, I’m pretty sure this is giving me a nosebleed Miles-style. And also how come no one is talking about how the STEWARDESS is at the paper mache temple? How did she get in with the ninja and John Lennon? It seems like a pretty exclusive club that can only be entered via time-traveling ankh in a guitar case.
The stewardess joined the Others – she was captured by them in Season 1, we saw her in …I don’t remember when the hell it was, when they had Jack Sawyer & Kate. Season 3? I thought she died, and in the original version of events I think she did (I think pretty much EVERYONE did during the freighter plot. I just recall several incidents that involved a lot of casualties). So who knows why she’s there now. But yeah, Other since the beginning.
And incidentally, her inclusion in their group means anything we learn about her, we learn about whatever the hell it is they find valuable in people.
Hm.
I have been assuming the ruins and the temple are the same place.
This seems to be an error.
I hate this show (I LOVE THIS SHOW. PLEASE SHOW! I DIDN’T MEAN IT!).
In the spirit of complete factualness, she was abducted in Season 2 when the Tailies were making their way back to the Front-Parters, right before Ana Lucia mistakenly shot Shannon.
How am I supposed to remember these minor minor characters from 4 years ago? So she was taken when the kids were taken? In like episode 3? And then she was on the other island with the polar bear cages? Is that what you’re saying? Here comes another nose bleed? Probably? Yes. I NEED A CONSTANT!
I want “BOONE!” to be the new “PAH!”.
Was Kenny Powers’s brother an Other in East Bound and Down also?
He will always be Sol Star from Deadwood to me.
Did anyone else recognize Kenny Powers’ brother as the assistant to the Chinese Temple nerds? Excellent casting decision.
*Japanese American
*Japanese Australian (i mean, do we know him?)
At first I was like
and then I was a little like
but mostly I’m still just
That sums it up perfectly.
Let’s get this voted up to 108 and leave it there.
I still don’t know if I’m Team Jacob or Team Smokey. This shit wrinkles my brain.
This season has delivered a Boone to my heartstrings
Was anyone else waiting for Richard age a billion years in one second after Jacob dies and he’s set free?
Or was he a slave on the Black Rock? Were the chains Locke refers to actual physical chains and not figurative chains? I like figurative chains way better than physical ones.
I thought the chains was referencing a sex thing.
I love your Mr. Tastee user pic.
Hurley’s guitar was pretty sweet. Prince guitar v2.0
While you were watching LOST I went ahead and pretty much keyed all yall’s cars. Go ahead. Look outside America.
Not going to lie…I wasn’t completely floored by the episode overall, but then again, I’m thinking I didn’t have to be to ultimately enjoy it. A few things though:
Ending the 8PM recap with Juliette smashing the bomb is understandable. Immediately segwaying into “Previously on Lost” and showing us the same smashing of the bomb..a bit unnecessary when you consider about 2 minutes had elapsed. 3.) Showing us yet another replay of the bomb detonation was seriously approaching overkill.
I agree that for every step forward, there were 3 steps back. The commercial breaks were frustrating in that it felt like they were spending a lot of time dwelling on certain scenes.
To answer at least two of those questions – Boone briefly mentions to Locke on the plane that he “tried” to get Shannon to come back with him but no dice. I think this also explains why certain castaways (Walllllllllllttttt, Michael, Libby, Ana Lucia, Eko) may not have been seen. For some reason or another, they are perhaps still in Sydney in this parallel timeline.
Also, I think Sun’s ‘No English’ was to sell Jin out – she had originally wanted out of the marriage and her hesitation and then refusal to clear up the customs stuff was not minding selling Jin up the river.
Yikes..I’ve already said too much. I’m excited to see where it all goes from here. Fave new character has to be Asian dude for sure though – he’s wise, he’s agile (that takedown!) and he’s got a sharp tongue…which also happens to hate speaking in English too!
every episode is packaged the same way, from the beginning. If you viewed the Season opener sans ridicu recap, you would be like, wait wait, let me pull out season 5′s disc set.
relax techno switch
Is no one else missing the WHOOSH? It’s all different.. RIP WHOOSH..
Dead is dead. Unless Sayid doesn’t feel like it. He probably kicked death in the chest and it sent him back.
There’s an interview with Cuse and Lindelof up somewhere (I think EW, hopefully someone can find the link for me) and they talked about this. It’s because it’s a “flash-sideways” as opposed to forward or back.
Hmm. Some of those questions don’t see that hard to figure out!
* How did Second Life Desmond end up on the plane?
–>Since the island’s underground, he never crashed his boat, and he wound up in Australia. Plus, isn’t Penny an Aussie?
* How did Second Life Desmond disappear from the plane?
–>Hrm.
* Why did Second Life Charlie say he was supposed to die?!
–>Because he wanted to die. The line was a neat in-joke reflection of Season 3′s story, but within the context of the alternaverse, he was simply suicidal, and now he’s going to jail, so dammit, he was supposed to die.
* Second Life Sun doesn’t speak English?
–>She almost certainly does, she just doesn’t want Jin to know (she’s been hiding it, remember?)
* And [the MIB] wants to go home? Where is home?
–>If I had to guess, I’d say he’s Lucifer, and he wants to return to Heaven.
* WHAT IS IN THE SAYID?
–>Jacob! Locke-Sayid showdown! Whooo!
Or maybe I’m totally and completely wrong about everything. Which is likely.
well, i agree. and also with jwormyk (who said things better except Sayid is Jacob not bad unless Jacob is bad and Smlocke is good but yeah right.). However, i’ve made all my theories yesterday and am tired. so, ENJOY THE RIDE PEOPLE!
My theory; all the people who have died on the island have retained their memories in the alternate timeline, and Desmond too, because he’s “special”. It’s why Boone said what he said to Locke, why Juliet said “it worked”, and how Charlie knew he had to die. This hasn’t been revealed to the other castaways because they wouldn’t believe it.
I’m all about embracing the mystery at this point. But one thing I don’t understand: Why did Kate tell Jack to stop performing CPR on Sayid, just because he was already dead? If there’s one thing Lost has taught me, it’s that CPR ALWAYS works, no matter how dead someone is. (Also, getting shot hurts, but not too much.)
especially with Jack’s special Jesus powers.
The one thing LOST has definitely taught me is that you can knock people out super-easy with one crack to the head, using pretty much whatever object you want (rock, pillow, stick, etc). It never fails.
I’m only confused about 2 things:
1. Hurley asked “who brings books to a cave?” – How is it possible that he has never seen Dead Poets Society?
2. The airport cops said that there was a 341 in progress. – So I looked it up and a 341 is the discharging of firearms. Now Kate had taken Edward Mars’ gun, but she didn’t fire it. So how exactly was it a 341?
Everything thing else I understand completely.
1. Hurley seems like more of a Dumb and Dumber guy.
2. Codes are different from place to place.
I was forced to stay away due to West Coast time delay but I am going to ask the same question as before.
Team Jacob or Team Smoke Monster?
MLIL
I missed this confusing boat years ago.
The temple is where they took all the kids in Season 1.
Why take kids to the Temple? Paper mache class, duh.
My only complaint about this season of Lost will probably be the majority of Lost fans. For five years, it’s been a show that you can talk about with friends (or internet friends) the day after. It’s been a shared experience of mysteries and monsters and all that.
But now, this season, I think most people that watch the show regularly will become more and more intolerable in their disappointments over what the show is/is not doing. Personally, I’m just along for the ride; I try not to theorize about what’s going on because I have faith in the writers and cast and I’m able to do a little thing called “suspending my disbelief”. I mean, if you can buy anything from the first season (plane crashes, people survive, paralyzed man regains ability to walk, whispers in the jungle), then I don’t see how people can’t buy into the more radical things Lost has done since.
It’s human nature to nitpick, I know, but it’s a shame that it has to happen to such a degree with a show that’s probably one of the most impressive feats of television storytelling ever broadcast. Just enjoy it and have fun, I say.
amen, brotha
Although I agree with you that LOST should just be enjoyed as a fun show, I disagree that theorizing what’s going on and bitching are tied together.
My roommate and i have had long-standing theories for the show, and we’ve disagreed with EACH OTHER on things, which have led to arguments. But we’re still friends and we still love the show, whether our theories are right and wrong. (My roommate got the satisfaction of seeing one of his predictions come true last night in the MIB IS the smoke monster. He was the first person I spoke to who predicted that, and I had to agree with him, and he was right).
So if your complaint about this final season of LOST is that people are going to bitch about it, I say that’s a pretty unnecessary complaint. We’re on the internet here. People bitch about EVERYTHING. Right now people are making little jabs without having seen ANY of LOST. “I WANT ATTENTION! I DON’T WATCH LOST!” Just shrug it off and enjoy the show (which I’m pretty sure I don’t even have to say that, as you seem to have that figured out, which is great!)
Lost was stubbornly itself last night. I don’t think the time lines are going on at the same time or that there are Universe “issues”. Imagine the season as one progressive time line split into two parts. Down the middle. The two parts are running simultaneously. So when the season ends we will be seeing the end of part 1 (which is the beginning of “plane not crashing” timeline). The ending of part two will be the actual ending of everything. Basically, they got rid of the island, but their lifes are linked no matter what they do. Also Diarrhea water= Bad Sayid.
I believe Cuse and Lindelof stated that the existence of two separate what-have-you’s will be sliced down to one about mid-season.
the biggest question sfor me at this point are when is the geronimo jackson reunion tour? will it be all the original members? and are they going to play the cow palace?
NOT. ENOUGH. DANIEL. FARADAY.
Did any of you guys see Lost last night?
What is up with MILES!!! Did his speak-to-the-dead powers not work for a while and now they work? Who’s head of speaking to the dead, Hurley or Miles?
I was thinking that maybe Miles had some sort of radiation poisoning when he was on the island as the cutest little baby and that’s why he hears dead people. But. Nope. Because he still had a super long listening session with Juliet and then only decided to very vaguely impart, “It worked.”
I’m pretty Miles’ powers have always worked. He just doesn’t like to do it for people because of the usual false hope it instills in people (like in that one episode where that football-lug-of-a-dad asked Miles to send a message to his son, to which Miles took the money and reluctantly agreed, only to return the money to the father right before he boarded the freighter, stating that if the dad wanted his son to know he loved him, he should have told him when he was alive).
I think that’s why Miles wasn’t too hip on ‘talking’ to Juliet for Sawyer. He was afraid Sawyer would have the wrong idea like that grieving Dad.
The main difference between Miles and Hurley’s dead people communications is that the spirits visit and talk to Hurley in real time and Miles can only check the brain’s log up until the moment of death.
Ok I htink I get it now. Hurley is Haley Joel Osment, and Miles is a fax machine that only dials in.
Sayid is totally Jacob now. Jacob found his own loophole. He gave Hurely the guitar case, he told Hurley what to do, he told them if they didn’t do it they would all be in trouble. Jacob set it all up. Locke vs. Sayid!
This is what I thought as well, but didn’t Ben have a similar resurrection experience when he went to the temple after Sayid shot him? Also that preview where Sayid is pleading not to be stabbed by the hot poker seems a little too desperate for too-cool-for-school Jacob. It also seems a little too desperate for Sayid, too. Maybe Sayid was resurrected as Shannon.
Good lord. I know they shoot that show in Hawaii and shit HAS to be expensive, but they need to pony up more dough for the CGI budget. I mean, if they have to make cuts from say, the Sawyer/Sayid clothing department, DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO, but the Smoke Monster was real budget looking and that broke-down Atlantis looking shit in the beginning had me feeling like I was watching someone play Echo The Dolphin on Sega. Lost is the new Passions.
100 questions answered 1000 questions raised. Oh, Lost.
Also, the actress that played Shannon apparently got pissed she was killed off and didn’t want to come back? Or something, whatever. I miss Juliet ):
oh and is Navee’s, uh, “regular” accent a coincidence, or no? I kinda thought it was just a fuck up but now it’s probably a mystery
Oh, Juliet. I think I might have been one of the only people at the Lost party attended who thought “I have to watch this bitch die AGAIN?”
I’m still waiting on word about the spin-off series, “Desmond: Lost in Time”.
I believe you’re referring to the new show “Everybody Loves Desmond.”
I just hope my favorite jam, You Are Everybody, makes its way to the series finale!
I think their proceeding with dunking Sayid when the water wasn’t clear was a mistake. They only did it because they were going to get in trouble with Jacob if they didn’t,and however “alive” he may be now, there’s undoubtedly something wrong with him. Does he occupy some space between life and death, between the timelines,or something else entirely? Also, I seem to recall the water was a similarly crappy color when Ben was summoning Smoky through that cesspool/grated thing a while back…
Yeah this is way too “Pet Sematary” for me!
re: Shannon
In the alternate universe, Shannon is busy being rescued from a south asian beach by Liam Neeson in Taken 2: Take Me To The Beach!
About the whole Sayid thing:
Some other blog noted that Sayid was saved the same way The Others saved little Ben, by taking him to the temple. Back then Richard said: “He’ll never be the same”. We can all assume that THERE’S SOMETHING WRONG WITH SAAYID.
PS: This alternate universe thing better lead to something good! Or…. or…. or… nah, I’ll just keep watching till the end.
Push the green up arrow, or the island will explode. Disappear even!
So, I guess Shannon and Boone never slept together in alternate reality land. Thank goodness.